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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 3 points 54 minutes ago

"Famed"? Lol

It can only work if the government wasn't partisan. Kinda impressive it took this long for the facade to fall off.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago

Supreme court, July 2024: "the president is the god king, and cannot be beholden to laws of mere mortals"

The Guardian, July 2025: "i don't know guys, checks and balances seem to be failing, don't you think?"

checks and balances were already fucked but whatever was there was finally shot dead and thrown in a ditch like a Noem family pet a year ago, dickheads, what the fuck are you talking about

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 25 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The AskHistorians podcast called it, in the aftermath of January 6 riots. They did not explicitly compare January 6 with the fall of Roman republic, but explained why the republic fell. The institutions got too corrupt in spite of checks and balances. The concept worked many times and was threatened before, until the breaking point had been reached. Brutus proclaimed he saved democracy after assassinating Caesar, but the crowd booed and heckled him because Caesar was popular and could actually get the job done, unlike corrupt politicians who typically make excuses not to do what the people want, because the elites would not want to ruffle their feathers of their patrons and their own interests.

People are not dumb. If politicians are doing what the people want, populism would never be a thing.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 7 points 12 hours ago

If politicians are doing what the people want, populism would never be a thing.

Populism works to get politicians elected because it is nothing more than politicians telling the people what the people want to hear.

Populism has nothing to do with actually doing what is in the best interests of the people, it's about making the people believe that their interests are going to be served.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 13 hours ago

Say it with me, kids. "We're fucked!"

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago

Checks-and-balances rely on:

  1. Voter interest in civic participation

  2. Careerist politicians and bureaucrats

If voters have no civic interest and prefer masturbatory prejudices to serious consideration of civic duty, and if 'careerist' politicians are given immense power and wealth for stepping aside (either by retirement or by simple non-action when in office) thus rendering self-castration of their office personally meaningless to their career path/personal fortunes, checks and balances don't mean shit.

All systems are reliant on a population's willingness to obey and enforce their rules. We in the US, apparently, have very little appetite for that anymore.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The Guardian. When news breaks, you can guarantee they'll say something about it in five to fifteen years.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 11 hours ago

Better late than never?

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Oft mentioned is different from famed.

[–] lukaro@lemmy.zip 28 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I spent the first 3/4 of my adult life listening to all politicians and deciding who I thought had better ideas for the issues that concerned me. The last 12 years have taught me that there are simply to many fucking republicans. That wouldn't be a problem but every single last one of them are worthless pieces of shit, more interested in cruelty than accomplishing anything decent.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

The last 12 years have taught me that there are simply to many fucking republicans.

So many that they've been bleeding into the Democratic Party.

Felt like I was taking crazy pills when Kamala Harris spent the back half of October leaving her very popular VP candidate on the side of the road while doing a whirlwind tour with... Liz fucking Cheney. Between that, importing all of Keir Starmer's UK campaign staffers, and letting Michael Bloomberg manager her social media, it's a wonder she didn't do worse.

That wouldn’t be a problem but every single last one of them are worthless pieces of shit

Waking up every day and saying the Pledge of Allegiance on a pile of Ayn Rand novels will do that to you.

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[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 13 hours ago

**completely and totally

***repeatedly

[–] Picasso@sh.itjust.works 8 points 16 hours ago
[–] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 13 points 18 hours ago

No shit Sherlock.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Hahahaha

Breathes in hahahahaha

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 23 hours ago

Someone just noticed this?

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 9 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

We ain’t had “checks and balances” since Allen Dulles and Curtis Lemay had JFK and RFK killed. We’ve been feeding off the husk of America like spider crabs.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

We ain’t had “checks and balances” since Allen Dulles and Curtis Lemay had JFK and RFK killed.

I mean, the Truman-Era Red Scare / Eisenhower-Era "Operation Wetback" / "Operation Eagle Eye" weren't exactly America's finest hours, either.

And you only have to thumb through a few chapters from Hoover back to McKinley to notice a certain historical weight of Fascist tendency baked into the American bureaucracy post-Reconstruction Era.

Honestly, the more notable moments in US History are when "Checks and Balances" actually work. Like, Nixon actually leaving office before the Senate could impeach him was something of a high water mark for the country, precisely because it suggested these institutions functioned as advertised (eventually). Even Comey threatening to prosecute Hillary was something of a moment for the country, as it suggested a President's Wife Turned Senator Turned Mega-Bundler Turned Presidential Nominee wasn't impervious to the consequences of her shitty stupid decisions.

But then Ford pardons Nixon and Trump fires Comey and you have to come back down to Earth to reconsider whether this game is rigged from the start.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 103 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's sad to realize that there never really were any "checks and balances". It was all based on an honor system, that relied entirely on no one trying to cross any boundaries.

As soon as Trump pushed even slightly against those so-called guardrails, they simply fell over.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago

It relied on voters actually caring about corruption and imposing a cost on corrupt behaviour. Unfortunately, Americans gonna American.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I mean, who would think that independent branches of governments would WILLINGLY cede their power to other branches of government?

Our government is completely populated with cowards who don't even want the responsibility of the power of their positions. And our civics education is so poor that they know the only thing the masses pay attention to is the president. So everyone can collectively fuck off with their jobs and face no backlash.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

There are no "independent branches of government". They are all governed by people of the same party. Your assumption copies the beliefs of the original founders that some imaginary "civic duty" would overrule all partisanship, when all recorded political history going back to the earliest civilisations show us that partisanship is an inevitable phenomenon in human societies.

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Every country which went into dictatorship had checks and balances. US checks and balances were not unique.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (8 children)

All systems are honour systems at their core. If no one respects the rule of law then laws don’t matter.

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 180 points 1 day ago (7 children)

It broke the minute Trump exposed the fact that the Constitution says exactly nothing about what to do if anyone chooses to violate it, and the answer to the question of "What are you gonna do about it?" was essentially "Nothing."

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's really been a broken system since Marbury v. Madison (1803). The lesser known finding of that case was that SCOTUS can declare something to be illegal or a violation of the law but can't do shit beyond that. It took over 200 years for a President to fully understand SCOTUS has no real teeth. If you control the enforcers of the law, you ARE the law.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's not that it took 200 years for a President to understand that, it's just that all Presidents since then and until trump weren't demented sociopath rapists who couldn't be arsed to think of the good of anyone else.

Using the law enforcement arm to specifically commit national crimes against citizens was more often than not considered what it was; treason.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There were definitely a couple literal demented sociopath rapists in the mix. What changed wasn't the law, but the political context and institutions.

It took decades for the GOP to systematically destroy faith in institutions.

It took years of Trump presidency followed by a strong reaffirmation of popular support in the last election.

It took Obama and Biden abdicating their duty to their electorate by respectively refusing to nominate a new Justice and refusing to prosecute Trump for sedition.

It took the media failing their duty to inform voters of Trump's past, intentions, and state of mind.

It took decades of slow work by the right to reframe the media landscape to be less truthful and more obedient.

It took social media and their algorithms to galvanize fascism.

It took an entire cold war and war on terror to normalize an absolutely abnormal and near insurmountable militarization of domestic law enforcement.

The US constitution is not to blame. That's a cop-out answer, a lame scapegoat. America wouldn't be saved by passing amendments alone. The rot goes far deeper than that. Just like the 13th amendment didn't do much to fix the system of racial injustice the US was built on. If it was just a matter of wording, a silly loophole, it wouldn't have worked. It worked because the vast majority of Americans abdicated their allegiance to the Bill of Rights, to Human Rights, and to Democracy.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

It took Obama and Biden abdicating their duty to their electorate by respectively refusing to nominate a new Justice and refusing to prosecute Trump for sedition.

? Obama was stuffed by McConnell on Garland, and Biden oversaw the appointment of Jack Smith to investigate Jan6 as well as the top secret stolen files.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Every president in some way or form pushed those boundaries without any consequences. Even the lightly better ones, like the shade of grey only lightly different than black.

Trump is the culmination of every president taking its way with the constitution without even a slap on the wrist.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 day ago

Someone writes the checks to tip the balance.

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