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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 137 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Most people don't actually want to hurt their coworkers. But the reason lockouts are actual physical locks, is because people can get confused, make mistakes.

You give everybody doing the dangerous work a physical key to a specific lock on the device that can kill them, so they all have to come back and unlock it individually before you can enable the machine again.

Prevents issues like a work crew leaving a site piecemeal, and then the first guy thinks the last guy is done, but the last guy ran back to grab something....

And if this industrial panel doesn't have the ability to be locked out, you lock out the f****** electrical panel and cut power to it.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

Yeah. And you do NOT fuck with LOTO locks. We had a crew come from out of state for maintenance overnight, and they went home one of them forgot to remove his lock.

After we spoke with the worker on the phone the next morning to verify he wasn't in danger, we still didn't cut the lock. We made him get his ass on a plane and come remove it.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

On every plant floor I've ever been on, tampering with a lockout was grounds for instant firing without appeal, and the tags said as much.

I suspect in this case it's neither the operators nor maintenance men who need firing; some asshole in management is probably forcing them to work on the machine at the same time it is in some kind of partially operational state in order to keep the line going in a moronic attempt to avoid downtime.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There are quite a few plane crashes where one important factor was the flight crew getting on the airplane and seeing an "INOP do not use" sticker and figuring "IDK, seems like it's working fine" and using it anyway.

Basically what I'm saying is, yes. There's a reason they started making physical locks for this, it wasn't because they were just sitting around one day in a corpse-free office and decided it would be a fun project to undertake.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Here is a fun minigame

The op note is dated 4/2/24

You come into your shift on 4/3/24 and the note is still there. What do you do?

[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Find out why it's been there for a month

[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And then continue to figure out how I got sent more than 2000 years in the past

(YYYY/MM/DD for life!)

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 14 hours ago

(YYYY/MM/DD for life!)

I favor this for sorting purposes.

[–] Newsteinleo@midwest.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Guys I found the European

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's even more confusing when you're Canadian and both formats are supported

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 2 points 39 minutes ago

Even worse that we're one of the few countries where all three formats are used.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 16 points 1 day ago

Rip it off and hit the button. Obviously. Someone must have forgot.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

You make an amendment to the complaint letter you are writing to your local workplace safety regulator

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Implement proper LO/TO procedures

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 21 points 1 day ago

"lock out, tag out"

Any serious machinery needs to use it

[–] Gustephan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Glad LOTO is the top comment on this post. You're doing God's work

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 day ago

I sincerely hope this photo was taken to be sent to the local government labour regulators so the company can be investigated for unsafe labour practices and not to post on social media for likes. In 2024, 826 people in the US were killed at work.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 82 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I know this is mostly a shit post, but if you're ever working on anything that has the slightest ability to maim, electrocute, etc use lock out tag out procedures. Industrial accidents are real, and can take someone from this world in a heartbeat. Stay safe nerds!

[–] Hazmatastic@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Come on, some plastic boxes, tags, and padlocks are worth more than a human life, right? Won't someone for once PLEASE just think of the SHAREHOLDERS

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It literally takes 5 seconds to grab a hobo outside and put a work shirt on them. Do you understand how long it takes to make custom molded plastic boxes? I swear people don't want me to get my second super yacht or something, greedy fucks

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If hobos are so cheap and plentiful, why don't we start making padlocks out of them instead?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

We tried that in the 1920s but it was too depressing

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

'stand here and make sure no one touches this'

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Do you understand how long it takes to make custom molded plastic boxes?

This used to have a much larger impact before 3d printers.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I heard some horror stories when I was a TV engineer, usually from people not doing lock out tag out or disabling safety features to do the job faster.

It was kind of surprising to me to see that it was literally a lock like you’d put on a storage shed or something. I thought it would be something fancier.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 14 points 1 day ago

It doesn't need to be secure, they fire anyone who removes someone else's lock.

[–] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 19 points 1 day ago

LockedOut the machine for maintenance, boss

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If this sort of risk exists, you need to be able to remove a key to disable the controls.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Every person who could be at risk needs to have their own lock preventing activation, and they need to maintain control of the key personally.

[–] Gustephan@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I love seeing this kind of post. Comments are half "lol funny meme" and the other half are people almost having a ptsd reaction as they (correctly) grill people about loto. I'll add my 2c; safety protocol is written in blood. Those rules exist because somebody in the past died horribly and people implemented procedures to prevent that from happening again. Ignoring safety protocol is ensuring that the next ones will be written in your blood.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's how I like it in the comments - partly goofy and partly serious. I can potentially be amused and learn something at the same time.

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

4th of February? That notice must be old, it's already the 2nd of April!

pushes button

[–] Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My boy's a box!? Damn you!! a box!!

[–] Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

lock out, tag out or you to will become... a box.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago

Then I noticed that the person inside was the same one who was stealing my lunch....

[–] TauZero@mander.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Emergency stop: pull to start push to stop. What happens when you stop stopping?

[–] whosepoopisonmybutt@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When you push it in, it kind of snaps into that position. You don't have to hold the button down.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And the better designed e-stop buttons require the button a 1/4 to 1/2 turn CCW to release

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Is there a reason the twist-to-release is better than pull-to-release?

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It more or less provides an extra cushion to prevent restart, as a coat; harness/lanyard; or anything else can't inadvertently release it if it gets caught. The button may get detached but won't allow the system to run. It also just requires a tad more thought and intention to release it.

There are also ones that need a key to release.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No DeeDee!

[–] theOneTrueSpoon@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

Ooo what does this button do?

[–] readsettlers_org@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Is this from Rick and Morty?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

push

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