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Crazy. If they'd stopped hoarding as much wealth as they could, they wouldn't need to worry about fucking bunkers.
You hit the nail squarely on head. Please accept this award, which is the best I can offer. 🍕🍪🪙
More than anything, they have succumbed to a mindset where “winning” means earning enough money to insulate themselves from the damage they are creating by earning money in that way. It’s as if they want to build a car that goes fast enough to escape from its own exhaust.
Douglas Rushkoff, Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires
Seems like I'm seeing a lot more references to guillotines and the French Revolution lately.
I swear years ago I started talking of French revolution and guillotines among my friends, and I was alone. Now I see alot of those. Funny uh
For every one you see, there are dozens you do not. Some mod on here is a billionaire apologist, and keeps removing references to guillotines as "promoting violence".
To my way of thinking, accruing and keeping a billion dollars is a deliberate choice. That massive disparity of wealth brings great harm to all of society. We as a society are empowered to declare deliberate, harmful acts to be criminal, and assign a sufficient penalty as to deter.
Consequently, I suggest that "Being a billionaire" should be made a capital offense.
I don't actually want to kill billionaires.
I want people who become billionaires to be extraordinarily embarrassed by their obscene wealth, and quickly "refund" the excess they "inadvertantly" collected from previous buyers, or failed to pay to workers.
Barring that, I want the IRS and SEC to confiscate the excess, convey it to liquidators, and keep the proceeds.
You don't have to cut off a billionaire's head to rid the world of billionaires. That billionaire no longer exists when you roll back his wealth to $999,999,999.
Well said... Although personally, I think building guillotines is a valid communication strategy.
It really drives the message home when you see videos like "how to build a guillotine for under $100". That title really says everything
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This is what the developing world says about the 1st world too. If we only shared better with all.
If they’d stopped hoarding as much wealth as they could
It's as though they believe they're immortal.
They're not going to be able to simply buy their way past 80-or-90-something.
It's as though they believe they're immortal
They are only wrong by one letter.
Immoral is much more accurate...
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I'm convinced Musk's Neuralink thing is an attempt to transfer his consciousness into one of his brood, or into a machine. Bankman-Fried hopes to create an AI version of himself.
They absolutely want to be immortal.
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In a 2022 piece for the Guardian, technology pundit Douglas Rushkoff talked about attending a highly secretive gathering with ultra-wealthy people who wanted to pick his brain about how to prepare for "the event." They peppered him with questions not only about shelters, but also the wisdom of acquiring mercenary armies and where on Earth they were likely to be most safe.
His conclusion: "Their extreme wealth and privilege served only to make them obsessed with insulating themselves from the very real and present danger of climate change, rising sea levels, mass migrations, global pandemics, nativist panic and resource depletion. For them, the future of technology is about only one thing: escape from the rest of us."
These people seem to think you can just find ammo, fuel, food, etc. lying around, or it can be looted forever, or they'll be able to stockpile enough. Ha!
One, these are very wealthy people who have been accustomed to being served, and having unrestricted space to roam about and enjoy. Stick them in a small bunker with rationed resources for more than 48 hours, and they'll be plotting how to get rid of each other within 6 hours.
Two, resources are finite! Let's say we have a reenactment of the French Revolution. How long do they think the peasants are going to wait for them? The peasants are going to build a town on top of their banker called "FU&FO". Air vents will be blocked or used as toilets, solar panels will be repurposed, and their view will be of a guillotine building yard. Unless they have a small reactor and someone who can maintain it, they'll be living in the dark, eating cold meals, and breathing ever more stale air.
Ammunition and mercenaries? Got news for you, Bezos, there's a whole lot more good ol' boys parked out here, just waiting to return their shipment of whoopass.
When will any of these idiots learn from the past? Read your Sun Tzu. The best defense is to surround yourself with friends.
“Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look upon them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death. - Sun Tzu
Here's a full article on Douglas Rushkoff talking about "those" people.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-20/tech-billionaires-are-planning-for-the-apocalypse/101546216
Ok, I've given some thought to surviving in a societal collapse. Nuclear war is simply hopeless and leads to a long, lingering death if you should survive, so let's leave it as societal collapse, like a COVID-27, but 10 times higher mortality.
This assumes you have Money with a capital "M".
Find a piece of land with easy access to a reliable water supply, farmable land, reasonable sunlight, and forest. Preferably, 30–60 minutes from a major popular center, maybe a little more. Build a home using ICF. The windows covered with European rolling steel shutters. Masonry heater. Wood-fired auxiliary water heater. Wood stoves, plural. Solar panels with multi-day battery backup. Greenhouses, barn, workshop. Printed book library in the house. Reloading supplies and equipment. Archery supplies. Medical equipment and education. Food preservation.
Do you want a loyal army? James Bond's Kerim Bey in "From Russia With Love": All my trusted employees are relatives. Become a foster parent. Help your community. Become a major factor in promoting community preservation and support. Become a loved and respected member of the community. Don't go the Godfather route. Surround yourself with people who see you as a factor for good in their lives.
Become a foster parent. Help your community. Become a major factor in promoting community preservation and support. Become a loved and respected member of the community.
You don't know billionaires very well.
Then die 2 months later when you're raided by your desperate neighbors.
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I saw an interview where he talks about this very event. It's fucking pretty bleak.
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They peppered him with questions not only about shelters, but also the wisdom of acquiring mercenary armies and where on Earth they were likely to be most safe.
What are they going to pay the mercenary armies with? Money? Why would a mercenary accept money when civilization has collapsed? The things they'd want most are the things the rich want them to protect. At that point, what value does the rich person offer the mercenary? Why wouldn't the mercenaries just shoot the rich person and live in the bunker now absent a resident?
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Two, resources are finite! Let’s say we have a reenactment of the French Revolution. How long do they think the peasants are going to wait for them? The peasants are going to build a town on top of their banker called “FU&FO”. Air vents will be blocked or used as toilets, solar panels will be repurposed, and their view will be of a guillotine building yard.
That's why they're trying to buy the entire island of Lanai.
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Units go for between $1.5 million and $3 million.
That's not even ultra-rich shit, it's just simple-rich. It's missing a few zeroes.
You could get like 50 people to pool resources to buy themselves a community… then pool resources to run it. It wouldn’t cost much for each person, really. 60k each.
As a bonus they could live in it now to maintain and further develop it, if they want to.
So rather than using a portion of the influence their riches grant them to try and make the situation better and prevent the end result of those global events they are anxious about, they just selfishly create private enclaves where they hope they can be safe while they watch the world burn...
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Fucking sociopathic parasites.
Unless they kill the people that build them, there will be plenty of people who know about these places. If we get the point of actually needing bunkers those people (who know the ins and outs of the bunkers) will want in. Nobody will protect the rich who had them built, because their money and influence will become worthless and nobody actually likes them. At best, they will live a miserable, lonely existence until they die. At worst, they will be torn apart by the masses.
If the world ends, I want to die with everyone else.
The same people who make giant business mistakes every year think they can cover all their bases for a world shattering catastrophe.
They got rich getting in early, or on the ground floor, of whatever market they’ve exploited, and think survival in an apocalypse is the same.
We need to start a map of these places and start fucking with them NOW not later. Make them regret building them before they ever need something like that.
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If shit hits the fan the rich will be murdered by their guards who will take over their bunkers.
My bet is suffocation when air handlers fail (or are deliberately destroyed or compromised by outside forces)
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They think it will be like Mad Max and they're going to be Immortan Joe, when they're going to have to be working hard harvesting turnips like all the other survivors.
At max we get 100ish years. Wtf does it matter if you survive in a bunker at 70 years old... If the world becomes a place where you need a bunker... Just let it go.
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They don't know anything we don't, look at musk and Zuck they're barely able to function in society and make endless foolish decisions - it's just that they can afford to fill everyone's paranoid fantasies. Regular kooks have a bug out bag, billionaire kooks have a fortified bomb shelter
I think that improving your resilience as an individual citizen is important. I'm not saying the zombie robots are coming, but that if the climate is getting worse (it is) and local weather also gets worse (it will, just a matter of how much) you can't count on food, water, power etc to be on hand 100% of the time.
It's amazing how many people act like having a small garden, a solar panel to charge devices and some jugs of water just in case is some unspeakable crazy talk
Me too. Got a 5 gallon container of water, and a drawer with binoculars and a camping knife. How is everyone else fairing?
You've got binoculars a container for water?? Shit. I need to up my game.
They've got the Rockies underwater?
And where are you going to get the fuel to run that 4mpg beast?
They've got the Rockies underwater?
My guess is that's in case the San Andreas fault lets loose.
And why Zuck is studying BJJ. He doesn’t want his head of security killing him and taking over after the fall.
Which is very helpful when their security carries guns and won't be near grappling range.
If the collapse comes, all the rich people will be booted outside their nice bunkers and starve.
Have you ever met a martial arts dude who wasn’t also into guns? :)
I’m sure he’s putting in plenty of time on the range too, but that doesn’t make for as good a publicity campaign.
I’ve also heard other strategies discussed, like deadman switches and explosive collars. I’m sure they have plans within plans.
Anyone that agrees to wear an explosive collar has a plan to kill the person with the button.
Not gonna help him when the rest of us weld him into his bunker, seal the vents, and put up "this place is not a place of honor" signs.
Assuming the bunker thay can house 36 people in costs $1.5M, you can split it with 9 other people and have a place to live for 150k. Or worst case, with 35 other people at 42k each. That’s actually not bad.
Are we sure the "unit" is not just one of the 36 it can "house"
Here's the link for the structure. https://survivalcondo.com/why-a-survival-condo/
The Full-Floor layouts are designed for 6 to 10 people, and the Half-Floor layouts are designed for 3 to 5 people.
Ok, so 150k (full layout) or 75k (half layout) for your own private space that can fit a family sounds pretty reasonable. Gonna be a bit tight for a family, but that’s better than nothing after a nuclear event.
Edit: I think I misunderstood. If I’m reading it right, $1.5M is for just one floor, not the entire bunker. If that’s the case, then yeah nevermind. lol
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I see this more like the cuban missile crisis where everyone was running scared and buying personal bunkers. The threat exists, yet business is still business.
the ultra-rich are preparing for the Big One
Some of us "little people" are doing it too, for example by not buying Reddit stock and feathering their nests for them.
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Oh, GTFO with the downvotes; go back to Reddit.
They must be right. They're rich for a reason. /s
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