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[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Yep, all of this “inflation” and “rising cost of housing” bullshit is essentially wealthy people turning the screws. They know regular people can barely make this work, and they love that.

[-] solstice@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I'm traveling in Europe right now and the prices everywhere are so reasonable it really pisses me off. Inflation my ass, I'm convinced it's just American corps squeezing us for everything we got.

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[-] dystop@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Amen.

You can't keep slaves anymore, but you can own a company and pay your workers an amount that makes it hard for them to pay for basic necessities so they don't have time for leisure, or organising unions, or finding other jobs. The workers are free to go, of course, but then they'll fall into financial ruin and not have healthcare.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Frighteningly few have health care with full employment, sometimes it’s not offered, when it is, it’s still not budgetable.

[-] solivine@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

That's exactly what it is, then I've had people laugh at me when I compare it to slavery.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

It’s called wage slavery and you can use that information to educate, if any will listen.

[-] solivine@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

Nah, most will just say get a better job, you're not working hard enough etc. Lots of people I speak to tend to frame it as a worker problem rather than a problem with the system. It's also why lots of people seem to be anti strikes...

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Well I did use a qualifier. I know. I was in McDonald’s one day getting a soda and they took forever. A young woman was griping that “it’s those kids! No one wants to work anymore!” I told her for those wages and what was expected, i don’t blame them. I got an angry glare.

[-] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

"but they're paying $15 an hour, isn't that what you people* wanted?"

Uh, it was, but that was 10 years ago...

*not the racist "you people", just the run of the mill ignorant one.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I giggled and took no offense.

[-] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Too many people seem to think that chattel slavery is the only thing that counts as slavery, and that even that doesn't count if a slaver is less horrible to their slaves than other slavers are.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Sadly, yes.

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[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

I wish one of the bigger industrial countries had the balls to curb the state-like influence of billionaires, by flat out capping the amount of wealth they get to wield. It's not even that people should not be allowed to be "rich". But "rich" should mean owning 1-50 millions or so. Not billions.

[-] Amilo159@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

You should try visiting Scandinavian countries. While being ultra rich isn't disallowed, it's so heavily taxed that ultra rich end up providing more for the welfare than any other group.

... that is until they move out to Switzerland.

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Not true at all. Sweden has worse wealth equality than the US. Sure we have high income taxes, but basically no wealth or inheritance taxes. The only reason social democracy ever took off in Scandinavia was due to the fear of the nearby Soviet Union. The moment the Soviet Union collapsed all the countries of Scandinavia started dismantling the welfare and privatising.

[-] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

An inconvenient truth is that life was a lot better for the working class in a lot of countries before the Soviet Union fell.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

My buddy is in Switzerland doing his phD. He says col there is hella expensive. Do they have a tiny tax rate?

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[-] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

If we're not going to abolish money, it should really be entirely illegal for the highest paid person in a company to make more than, say, 15-20 times more than the lowest paid person.

[-] kool_newt@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Reliance on the state to make things right is the fatal flaw. The purpose of the state is not to make our life better, it is to protect the powerful from us.

[-] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

You're assuming I'm in favor of keeping our existing government intact. I don't. It was shit from the start, and now it's entirely unsalvageable.

Even if the government itself was salvageable, the US is far too ideologically divided into sides that cannot and should not be reconciled with each other.

This country cannot and will not hold itself together much longer, and the only potentially viable course of action is to mitigate the harm that is going to happen no matter what by breaking it up in as controlled and peaceful a manner as possible.

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[-] KIM_JONG@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Lol 1 million doesn’t even buy a house where I live.

[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago

Progressive history nerd with an "aKshUlLy" for you to consider:

Slavery was never abolished, it was moved. There are more slaves in the world today than ever before and the US (among others) is funding it. Our stores are full of goods made by slaves. It's worse now than when slaves were just farmhands because those old high paying factory jobs were still a boon for the domestic worker. Those are slave jobs overseas now. A foundational economic pillar of stable, unionized labour was removed and never replaced.

So certainly, stagnant wages and everything is costing more and giving us less. Our current spiraling situation for workers at home is deplorable and getting worse, a true dystopia. But slavery is another kettle of fish. There's a scene in Roots, the miniseries from the 70s about slavery. When we get to the aftermath of the civil war in the south, a governor told the nervous former slave owners that like peter rabbit trying to get into the garden, when the farmer puts up an obstacle, you just find a way around it. For a time, that meant chattle slaves simply become indentured slaves, working to pay off costs they can never quite catch up on. Once that was abolished, we just laundered our slavery through international borders. Out of sight out of mind for the average American. It's the same people doing the same thing, it's just a shell game. The oppression of the working class is intersectional as fuck with slavery, has the same root cause, and evolved along side slavery, but the human suffering experienced by actual slaves is much worse than the typical underpaid worker, so for me, I don't think it's quite the same thing. But this is just symantics.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Reminder that slavery was never outright abolished in the US, the constitution explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime which is why private for-profit prisons are a thing in the US.

[-] Canis_76@feddit.nl 24 points 1 year ago

Trying? Abolished? Sigh. Words. Slavery never left. Put all the pretty paint you want on those bars. It's the change of perspective that comes with wisdom. Use that power well.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Lets finally change it. Lets just get up and act, fuck it. I don't want to play the game anymore.

[-] InputZero@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Then be prepared to get hurt. Sure small strikes are tolerable to a government. Strikes that actually disrupt the economy are never tolerated, and are almost always met with police violence. It's literally their first job, to maintain public order. Imagine what would happen if Lockheed Martin employees striked?

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

We are already hurt.

[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Individual action won't accomplish anything it has to been collective and coordinated. Without strong unions I don't know how that's possible

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

They've lured us in with the promise of overtime to get us to work for them more, while keeping our wages artificially low so we have to work overtime.

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 year ago

This has always been the case. Look at immigrant exploitation, the truck system, sharecropping, child labor, exporting work to undeveloped countries to exploit unregulated labor forces there.

It was always about bringing back slavery without calling it slavery.

And it will always be so long as we let them keep trying.

Violence is not the answer until the hour that it is.

[-] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.

Nothing divine or important about that.

So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.

Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.

[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Our only hope is to become a strong union country. Without collective power we'll never reign in the greed of the billionaires

[-] solstice@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

This is actually a way better and more efficient form of slavery. You need to feed, clothe, house, and medically treat slaves. WAY cheaper to pay minimum wage and tell them to fuck off.

You could pull yourself out of this misery by your own bootstraps. I sell those for only $20. It's not a set though. And they rip easily, better buy some more.

You can work for it, I'll give you one strap per week.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's this "trying to" bullshit? The for profit prison system and a legal system that punishes people for being poor would suggest they have already largely succeeded. Never mind that slavery is explicitly legal when it comes to prisoners.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Amazon workers with their forced over time go unheard.

[-] Armand1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You guys don't have a 40 hour work week?

Is this an American thing or a certain industries thing?

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[-] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.

Nothing divine or important about that.

So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.

Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.

[-] Gsus4@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

With enough inequality and without a strong social net, wage labour is equivalent to slavery. They cover the minimum costs of your survival and you spend as much time working as they ask or else they'll find someone more desperate.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Humans get powerful and don't see the point in power unless they can abuse people

[-] onionbaggage@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

Ironically posted on Ex Twitter.

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