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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 92 points 2 weeks ago

Texas just passed a law that gives extra funding to public schools that teach the Bible.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Checked my Texas municipal property taxes recently. We've dropped ISD funding by 30% over five years. Meanwhile, city police spending has surged by 25%.

So I'm paying slightly less than I did five years ago, but over $1k/year of that has simply been a transfer from teachers to cops.

[-] leverage@lemdro.id 8 points 2 weeks ago

Are you comparing raw dollars or percentage of property tax? Accounting for inflation and the increase of your property value? What about the whole situation where Texas collects the taxes but only disburses up to some amount to schools. Probably easier to just look at the ISD financials. Just need to remove all expenses for non education activities, like sports and administration. I wonder if the ISD funding also gets used to pay for ISD specific police. Just asking questions, without actually doing the work, betting teachers have lost way more than 30% in 5 years. Texas government is actively trying to prove that public education doesn't work so they can justify privatization, and bring back legal segregation plus religious schooling funded by taxes.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Are you comparing raw dollars or percentage of property tax?

Raw dollars. I paid $2980 to HISD in 2019 and $2035 to HISD in 2024. Incidentally, my housing price has increased 20% over this same time.

Texas government is actively trying to prove that public education doesn’t work so they can justify privatization, and bring back legal segregation plus religious schooling funded by taxes.

Yup

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

Does it specify which bible?

[-] gregor@gregtech.eu 18 points 2 weeks ago

the Satanist temple joined the chat

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

That's never gonna happen as long as Republicans are fascist religious extremists, and the only other option literally still thinks God talks to them directly.

Biden, 81, told Stephanopoulos, 63, that he doesn’t intend on exiting the race, and only a higher power intervening would make it happen.

"Look, I mean, if the Lord Almighty came down and said, ‘Joe, get outta the race,’ I’d get outta the race,” he said, adding, “The Lord Almighty’s not comin’ down.”

https://people.com/joe-biden-says-only-lord-almighty-could-make-him-drop-out-of-2024-presidential-race-8674296

Republicans dove head first into religion, so that means the only other option Americans get is a "benevolent" deluded religious person.

Because no matter how bad Republicans get. Our only other option will always meet them halfway.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

I don't disagree about the GOP, but that quote doesn't say what you're asserting it does, lol. He doesn't say that God talks to him in your quote, he was giving a hyperbolic example of what would make him drop out. Ironically, he dropped out almost immediately after this.

[-] shonn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Does that mean Pelosi is god?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Nah. Their religion is a polytheistic one with the wealthy owner donors as the deities. Pelosi is their prophet and shepherd.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I think it’s meant as a kind of “when pigs fly” statement.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Maybe I'm even more cynical, but it feels like us evangelical christianity is being used as a tool. A gullible fool.

So all these old gheezers are vaguely pushing for a US Christian nationalism... But coronated someone who doesn't really care about that beyond how they can elect him, and basically shoved their values out the the party's window.

And US youth is increasingly less Christian. Including Trump supporting youth.

So... I'm not even worried about this long term, relative to everything else to worry about. There will be short term scares, but post Trump Trumpism is not going to be very religious.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation would like a word. Or not. They do better when no one pays attention to them.

[-] ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Orange man indeed doesn't care.
It's the people whispering in his ear that are pushing their brand of Christianity(TM) to positions of power.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 6 points 2 weeks ago

Evangelical Christianity has absolutely been used as a political tool for the past generation.

[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

~~Evangelical~~ Christianity has absolutely been used as a political tool for ~~the past generation~~ ever

FTFY

[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

You have to be gullible to become an evangelical in the first place.

[-] xav@programming.dev 28 points 2 weeks ago

France passed such a law.

In 1905.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

The only way religion should be handled in school is in a philosophy class

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 weeks ago

Which should talk about religion at most, not teach religion. You can talk about what religions believe and the differences between them, but you shouldn't teach the religion itself.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

History already has a class and last I looked religion was only touched on for the crusades and jihads. Religion should have its own department to allow in-depth discussion of it in all its many flavors.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Watson Heston had no trouble explaining this to people via cartoon in the 19th century.

Bonus cartoon:

[-] Sazruk@lemmy.wtf 4 points 2 weeks ago

That second one is legitimately one of the best political cartoons I’ve see

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I love most of Heston's stuff. Although some of it is pretty antisemitic, at least from this atheist Jew's perspective.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

The funny thing is, being anti religion in public schools was a Protestant thing in the 19th century US. The KKK were also very much in favor of public education without religion, and advocated for laws against private schools. Private schools were associated with Catholicism, until integration - you can see the allusion with the shadow of the mitre in the second image.

Evangelical Christians have really just been throwing a decades long fit over the fact that Black children get to go to the same school as their kids.

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[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Alt: the freethought road versus the Orthodox route, a drawing from 1890 about the separate paths faith and reason will lead you to.

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[-] S13Ni@lemmy.studio 14 points 2 weeks ago

Bro people just gonna walk around that wall.

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

And we should let them. People can choose in what to believe in and we shouldnt disallow it. The point is secularism. Church and state should be separate. When organized religion is kept out of public schools, with time, religion slowly fades away as there is less need for it.

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I recognize this artist instantly - it's Matt Wuerker, a fellow student from Lewis & Clark College. He and I worked on the school paper at the same time - he had already developed his distinctive cartooning style at that age. I don't recall ever talking with him, so I srsly doubt he would remember me, but I've always been a fan of his work. He's one of the more distinguished L&C grads IMO - along with Monica Lewinsky and actress Markie Post (RIP, best known as the beautiful lawyer on Night Court).

[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

USA: What about second Church? We can cut school.

This should not be controversial

[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Theology has no place at the table of knowledge

[-] Limonene@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Except in social studies class. People should be aware of other people's religions. But each religion should be taught equally, or in proportion to how many members they have. Kids should also be able to learn why people join religions and why religions are persuasive.

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[-] Belgdore@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago

It’s crazy that the conservative Christians have forgotten their own narrative. They claim that “freedom of religion” is about selecting and practicing a preferred denomination of Christianity. Separation from the Church of England (state defined Christianity) is a huge part of their narrative of the creation of the US.

They will discover why that is important in their narrative of history if they continue on this path.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

Fascists

Do

Not

Care

About

Hypocrisy

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

Disagree. People without any religious knowledge are more susceptible to being lured into one.

Instead, school should teach about the history (how they came to be) of the mayor religions.

[-] Soulcreator@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Out of curiosity do you have any evidence to back that claim for those raised in an environment where you have a high degree of science education? Like I know without science to explain the natural world, religion makes "sense". But as long as you have a strong knowledge base in science I'm not convinced people would be easily swayed by religion.

For example, I was raised without religion, and I've never seen much of a reason to learn about it. That being said whenever I hear someone talk about religion it sounds particularly absurd to my ears. "Sky Daddy will fix all your ills, you just need to trust in sky Daddy. Sky Daddy doesn't like it when you X." I'm sorry, what? Uh no.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Same reason as why sexual education is important. You can't make an informed choice if you're not informed.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

science hasn't been anywhere near there for as long as I can remember

[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I remember when Lauren Boebert said the church should be telling the government what to do, and the crowd she said this to cheered.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

The religions will pay for it! It worked so well with the last wall…

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