Where is a new set of actors for TNG? If a new TNG series/movie was made, who could the actors be for that?
(Prepubescent voice) Am I a joke to you, Number One?
Edit: I bet you read that in Wee Picard's voice.
Lol, you got me there
I know what you meant, though. The actor who played kid Picard was only for a one-off episode while the rest were for whole series or movies. I just really like being technically correct. 😆
Does a clone of Picard count as Picard? Some say yes, some say no. Some refuse to answer...
Also young JL from Tapestry:
Also young JL from, ironically, ST:Picard in SIX episodes!
is that fuckin Tom Hardy?
That's fuckin Tom Hardy in his first major motion picture role, the train wreck that was Star Trek: Nemesis.
Also, while verifying my memory that this was his first major role, I found this other fun trivia fact:
"Jonathan Frakes refused to shave his back for the love scene turned psychic rape with Troi. The hair on his back was digitally removed by an effects house."
What. The. Fuck. Ever.
Riker's back hair just proves he's extra virile.
Ackshually..he was Twombly the Ranger from Black Hawk Down a year before that, although he somehow looks younger as a bald clone than a tab with a high and tight
No, because he never existed and I will die on that hill.
Wasn’t he the same actor who played JLP’s nephew in the one right after he was assimilated?
Yep, he played Rene as well.
Stop remaking things. It's to go boldly for fucks sake.
It’s to go boldly for fucks sake.
“To go boldly” is a remake of “to boldly go”
Well.. Shit.
To safely go where others have gone before us!
For any Trek fans I can suggest some science fiction writers who strongly influenced the original series.
Poul Anderson's 'The War Of The Wingmen' features a smarter version of Harry Mudd; a space trader trapped on a planet ruled by intelligent, winged tigers.
Roger Zelazny's 'Lord Of Light' has a long lost Earth colony ruled by the original starship's crew. They've used their advanced tech to turn themselves into the Hindu pantheon [except for a renegade Christian with an army of zombies]. One rebel used Buddhism to start a war...
Lord of Light is pretty neat. He wrote it so it could be read as either a scifi story or a fantasy story.
“The fit hit the Shan” was one of the few times I laughed out loud reading a book.
Star Trek’s problems started when they started doing prequels.
Enterprise is actually good, and I’m glad they made it but at the same time it killed the franchise’s golden age.
Because TNG is perfect and no attempt to remake it could possibly improve it
Oh yeah, we need to follow the Code of Honor of never questioning the perfection of TNG. TNG is an Angel, One's perfection can only be imagined. Any criticism would not do the show Justice and should be put Sub Rosa. Star Trek really went Up the Long Ladder with this show.
Actors who have played Picard:
TNG has aged well and despite some dated elements it is still within the comfort zone of modern audiences. TNG created the baseline for how following Trek shows for decades would look and operate which gives it a connection to all of those shows for people to grab onto. TOS is both older and of a significantly different wavelength. I personally love it, but a lot of people bounce off of it. That is why there is more openness to rebooting it. Also, the JJ Abrams movies have broken the seal, as it were, on the idea of recasting TOS characters, making it less of a major step. This is why people at large talk about it.
SNW also slowly and softly incorporated the building blocks for a TOS reboot spread out of time, rather than just dumping the idea out all at once. This assembly was made more palatable by fitting the process inside of a pretty good Trek show.
In terms of canon, it is much easier to introduce a TOS reboot than a TNG reboot. A lot of things in TOS have had to be explained away in convoluted ways or mostly ignored by the rest of the franchise. TOS is more ripe to be retuned with details that fit better into what Trek has become. TNG has a much tighter connection to the rest of the shows.
For what it's worth, I don't think either TOS or TNG should be remade. A new Trek show should always expand or move Trek forward in some way. I am tired of reboots, reimaginings, and rehashes.
We need Star Trek: The Nextest Generation where it’s all just horny salamanders making salamander babies that slip into the water real quick when anyone shines a palm light on them.
You also can't recast Picard. He's a Shakespearean stage actor, with a voice so authoritative it became The Heartbeat of America, and a presence so powerful that the Queen of England knighted him. Who in their right mind would want to try to follow that?
I completely agree with your last point. Why are we so stuck on the same ~150 years? (not counting Enterprise) Go to year 2600, start exploring things like AI singularities, the construction of megastructures like Dyson Spheres, artificial wormhole networks, or other more advanced sci-fi that was only scratched at in previous series.
Maybe have the series revolve around the first ship able to reach a neighboring galaxy and the new discoveries that await there. Isolated by extreme distance and forced to be self-sufficient, but not lost or unprepared like Voyager.
Or what if a competing coalition of species has started rapidly spreading from a different quadrant? Not one that's evil, but maybe one that just has a looser stance on things like The Prime Directive and Genetic Enhancement. What happens when member species of the Federation start getting lured away with promises of new technology and advancements?
What does Vulcan, or Romulus, look like when over half their population has decided to upload their consciousnesses into digital immortality? What does a free and democratic Ferenginar look like? How's the Gamma quadrant holding up with the power vacuum caused by disappearance of the Founders and the collapse of the Dominion?
Space is big, time is infinite, there's countless stories to be told somewhere outside of 2250-2400. New Trek should be looking forward, to new stories and new adventures; not backwards and trying to shoehorn in yet another prequel/remake without completely fucking up the canon.
How come?
Because if it ain't broke don't fucking fix it.
Further, a lot of the modern films are a lot less Philosophy Trek and a lot more Action Trek. TNG as a series is squarely Philosophy Trek, even if the TNG movies veer a little too much into Action Trek themselves.
I just don't have faith that the themes would be faithfully reproduced, even if the actors, setting, and so forth could be.
Because if it ain’t broke don’t fucking fix it.
If that were a matter of consideration for the entertainment industry there wouldn't be any live action Disney remakes.
If we are looking at it from the cold business angle, there has to be an acknowledgement of the different audiences and the different ways that different kinds of entertainment are monetized.
A Disney movie goes into theaters to make money on its own, then it goes onto Disney+ as part of the big lineup. The main audience is children. Children don't have the kind of demand of franchises that adults do. It is much easier to get children to accept reboots.
That 2019 live action Lion King movie that nobody ever even talks about? It made a billion and a half in theaters. Why? Simple. It had animals and loud noises in it, kids don't need much more than that.
A Star Trek show is not going to be making any theater money. All the money spent on it is in the hope that it attracts enough subscribers to make the costs worth it. That's harder math and it's with a more niche and picky audience.
I was in the middle of writing up a lot of math, but the TLDR is that a TNG reboot is not as appealing as a new show. A TNG adjacent show can cash in on TNG memberberries while having the freedom to be creative to try and pull in new subscribers.
The obvious answer for who to play Picard in the TNG remake is James MacAvoy.
Anyone foolish enough to try to play Picard will be met only with disappointment.
James Macavoy is 45. Patrick Stewart was 47 when TNG first aired. So Macavoy hasn't got much time to get himself ready to play the most important role of his lifetime!
There are ~~more~~ equal number of actors that have played Captain Pike than Captain Kirk:
EDIT: I forgot there is a 4th Kirk actor. In the first Kelvin film Star Trek (2009), there is a young kirk actor. So 4 for Kirk and 4 for Pike.
By technobabblecality, there is also a case for claiming Tom Hardy playing Picard
You're right, but you shouldn't have said this out loud.
The TOS reboot movies were a mistake
They are action movies with star trek names scattered about.
Beyond was good, and Urban as Bones was perfect casting that will never be duplicated.
maybe in another 20 years after nu-trek fails and they want to recapture millennials with nu-nu-trek.
I'm wondering how many people who are so bitchy about the Kelvin movies grew up loving TOS in first run as kids. I did, and for me the new movies are like a birthday present. I can totally believe Pine and the rest of the cast are younger versions of the characters. It's like watching old home movies of close friends from before I knew them. Yes the tone of the newer movies is different - that's because younger audiences like faster paced movies. So what? The story is being retold now, not in the 1960s. If I can embrace the changes at age 70, I don't know what everybody else's problem is.
William Shatner was the only actor to portray Kirk for the 43 years between 1966 and 2009. TNG premiered in 1989, “only” 35 years ago. I'm sure a reboot of some sort will happen one day, just be patient.
Just continue the timeline with fresh characters. ENT -> DIS -> SNW -> TOS -> TNG -> DS9 -> VOY -> Lower Decks -> PIC -> ???
I'd love a live action Lower Decks
Thr strange new worlds/lower decks crossover was done so well too!
If they had set the upcoming Starfleet Academy series before TNG we could’ve seen a new actor play young Picard and others.
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Fire up the inertial dampeners, retract all moorings and clear space dock. It's time to boldy go where no one has gone before!
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